Now, one body language expert has given her verdict on Donald and Melania’s behavior, and it was touching.

The relationship between Pope Francis, Donald Trump, and First Lady Melania Trump has had its ups and downs. Francis held his papacy for 12 years, during which time he met with three US presidents. His first encounter was with Barack Obama in 2014. Obama was in the midst of his second term as president when he and the pope held a meeting in Rome. Though they had differing views on many issues, their discussion was said to have been a success.

The then-president revealed that specific differences didn’t arise during his meeting with Francis. Rather, they spoke about human rights and religious freedom and, as Obama explained, “the responsibilities that we all share to care for the least of these—the poor, the